[Download this episode](http://www.buzzsprout.com/15622/107242-bootstrapped-episode-17-special-guest-rachel-andrew.mp3 "Bootstrapped.fm episode 17"), in which Ian and Andrey sit down with special guest [Rachel Andrew](http://rachelandrew.co.uk/ "Rachel Andrew") from [EdgeOfMySeat.com](http://www.edgeofmyseat.com/ "EdgeOfMySeat.com"), to discuss [Perch](http://grabaperch.com/ "Perch"), the really little CMS, the new [Bootstrapped.fm forums](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm "Bootstrapped.fm Forums"), marketing, customer support, product dependencies, how important personal visibility is to your business, content management systems, writing and speaking, and self-publishing. [Rachel Andrew](http://rachelandrew.co.uk/ "Rachel Andrew") [Perch: the really little CMS](http://grabaperch.com/ "Perch") - Rachel's product. [EdgeOfMySeat.com](http://www.edgeofmyseat.com/ "EdgeOfMySeat.com") - Rachel's company. [Drew McLellan](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm/users/drewm/activity "Drew McLellan") - Rachel's husband and business partner. [Drew on 24 Ways](http://24ways.org/authors/drewmclellan/). [The Perch Podcast](http://grabaperch.com/blog/tags/podcast "The Perch Podcast") [Bootstrapped.fm Forums](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm "Bootstrapped.fm forums") The [Perch website](http://grabaperch.com/ "Perch") was designed by Paddy Donnelly of [Lefft](http://lefft.com/ "Lefft"). The birds were drawn by [Kev Adamson](http://kevadamson.com/ "Kev Adamson"). Rachel will have a [workshop on Shipping Your Product](http://futureofwebapps.com/london-2013/schedule/workshops/ "Rachel's workshop at the Future of Web Apps") at the Future of Web Apps. She also has a [version of the workshop](https://shop.smashingmagazine.com/smashing-workshop-shipping-your-product-freiburg.html "Rachel Andrew's workshop") available as a Smashing Workshop. Big thanks to [Mike Jones](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm/users/imsickofmaps/activity "Mike Jones"), for making [http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm) come alive. [Discourse](http://www.discourse.org/ "Discourse") - forum software. Discussion on [serving different sections of the market for one product](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm/t/serving-different-sections-of-the-market-for-one-product/70). Discussion regarding [MachForm, and their free installation offer](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm/t/hi-im-yuniar-of-machform-indonesia/124). Rachel's presentation (video) on [Things Learned While Supporting Perch](http://vimeo.com/67514783 "Things Learned While Supporting Perch").
Download this episode, in which Ian and Andrey sit down with special guest Rachel Andrew from EdgeOfMySeat.com, to discuss Perch, the really little CMS, the new Bootstrapped.fm forums, marketing, customer support, product dependencies, how important personal visibility is to your business, content management systems, writing and speaking, and self-publishing.