[Download this episode](http://www.buzzsprout.com/15622/141764-bootstrapped-episode-31-we-are-joel-together.mp3), in which Ian and Andrey talk about growing to a point where you have no idea where stuff is in your own company, building mobile clients for Snappy and Quintu, Minecraft, live coding streams, games, client work, system administration with SaaS, the Sturgeon/Laravel argument, the forums, SaaS growth curves, the PHP Book Book, Seinfeld, Bill Gates, and the Gone Home game. [Ionic framework](http://ionicframework.com/ "Ionic Framework") [Asteroid Jane](http://www.andreybutov.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/img17.jpg "Astreroid Jane") [Phil Sturgeon](http://philsturgeon.co.uk/blog/2014/01/the-tribal-framework-mindset "Phil Sturgeon") on The Tribal Framework Mindset [Ian's side](http://ianlandsman.com/laravel-community/)on the Sturgeon/Laravel discussion. [Amy Hoy](http://unicornfree.com/2013/5-years-of-saas-growth-every-month-exact-numbers "Amy Hoy") - 5 years of SaaS growth. Seinfeld - [Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee](http://comediansincarsgettingcoffee.com/ "Seinfeld - comedians in cars getting coffee."). [Gone Home](http://thefullbrightcompany.com/gonehome/ "Gone Home") [ Discuss this episode.](http://discuss.bootstrapped.fm/t/bootstrapped-fm-episode-31-we-are-joel-together/958)
Download this episode, in which Ian and Andrey talk about growing to a point where you have no idea where stuff is in your own company, building mobile clients for Snappy and Quintu, Minecraft, live coding streams, games, client work, system administration with SaaS, the Sturgeon/Laravel argument, the forums, SaaS growth curves, the PHP Book Book, Seinfeld, Bill Gates, and the Gone Home game.
